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Persuasion

I was at a family do this past weekend when the topic of climate change deniers came up with a relative who works in the field of climate change and food security. My question was “so, are you going to beat up on the likes of “Lord” Monckton and Sammy Wilson?” Her response surprised me, but made loads of sense.

“Why? the people who know that climate change is real are the people I am going to be dealing with. It would be a waste of time to try to persuade that type of person when I can be putting my efforts into getting something done.”

Point taken. No matter how much you try to logically disucss a topic with someone who is totally illogical, they will refuse to see reason. Your argument can be in big, bold letters, yet they will disagree for whatever reason they choose–no matter how silly that reason may be to the educated observer. These people will believe discredited studies and sources.

But those aren’t the people I want to spend my time on. I want to get the people who can use my information for good purposes. I want to link up with others who can work with me to achieve my goals. I know those people are out there, but I need to connect to them.

The other people will continue in their echo chamber, but I prefer to connect with people who are willing to go forward to change the world for the better. I don’t have the time to deal with the astroturfers.

Betcha didn’t know about this–thank corporate censorship!

Two LUV News readers calling themselves The Class Warriors and wishing to remain anonymous, have made a video that should be seen widely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoKW771tG_Q

Mark Hertsgaard, Climate Cranks, and Stupid Yanks

This little factoid really bothers me:

There is a major paradigm shift in the climate story, in the climate problem. What changed, sometime around the turn of the century, was that global warming triggered outright climate change, and it did so a hundred years sooner than scientists expected. And so that huge shift in the problem – the fact that now we’re locked into a significant amount of climate change, even if we do everything rightMark Hertsgaard



UK Conservative Party (You know, the Party that produced Margaret Thatcher) Policy on Climate Change:

Climate Change and Energy

The Government believes that climate change is one of the gravest threats we face, and that urgent action at home and abroad is required. We need to use a wide range of levers to cut carbon emissions, decarbonise the economy and support the creation of new green jobs and technologies. We will implement a full programme of measures to fulfil our joint ambitions for a low carbon and eco-friendly economy.

* We will push for the EU to demonstrate leadership in tackling international climate change.
* We will seek to increase the target for energy from renewable sources, subject to the advice of the Climate Change Committee.
* We will continue public sector investment in carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology for four coal-fired power stations.
* We will establish a smart grid and roll out smart meters.
* We will create a green investment bank.
* We will retain energy performance certificates while scrapping HIPs.
* We will establish an emissions performance standard that will prevent coal-fired power stations being built unless they are equipped with sufficient carbon capture and storage.
* We will cancel the third runway at Heathrow and refuse permission for additional runways at Gatwick and Stansted.
* Through our ‘Green Deal’, we will encourage home energy efficiency improvements paid for by savings from energy bills.
* We will reform energy markets to deliver security of supply and investment in low carbon energy, and ensure fair competition.
* We will give an Annual Energy Statement to Parliament to set strategic energy policy and guide investment.
* We will work towards an ambitious global climate deal that will limit emissions and explore the creation of new international sources of funding for the purpose of climate change adaptation and mitigation.

See also:
Generation Hot
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Why Are Republicans Against The Science?
The Conservative Party | Policy | Where we stand | Climate Change and Energy

Beware of the Enviro-Nazis!

We’re coming to get you!

From The Armstrong & Miller Show:

I really want to find their origins of Charity sketch and post it: annoying buggers.

Climate Change–it’s not just for Lefties!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-scientist-climate-20110105,0,6481221.story

Kerry Emanuel is a highly regarded professor of atmospheric science at MIT. Based on his work on hurricanes and the research of his peers, Emanuel has concluded that the scientific data show a powerful link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change. He also sees himself as a conservative. He believes marriage is between a man and a woman. He backs a strong military. He almost always votes Republican and admires Ronald Reagan.

Texas Tech atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe is an evangelical Christian who travels widely talking to conservative audiences and wrote a book with her husband, a pastor and former climate change denier, explaining climate change to skeptics.

A physicist by training, John Cook is an evangelical Christian who runs the website skepticalscience.com, which seeks to debunk climate change deniers’ arguments.

Barry Bickmore is a Mormon, a professor of geochemistry at Brigham Young University and the blogger behind Anti-Climate Change Extremism in Utah, where he recently rebuked Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) for his climate views and posted editorials mentioning his Republican affiliation.

Paradoxically, over the last 40 years, it was conservative Republican administrations that pushed through the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency and the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Air Act, and Clean Water Act. Yet, for some reason, Conservativism now dislikes the environmentalist movement.

“I’ve always rebelled against the thinking that ideology can trump fact,” said Emanuel, 55. “The people who call themselves conservative these days aren’t conservative by my definition. I think they’re quite radical.”

The Green Dragon, Ain’t that a pub?

That goofy Conwell Alliance vid with all the talk of “the Green Dragon” is making me thirsty–especially since my fav pub when I was young was called “the Green Dragon”. The place had super music!

Anyway, I decided to google up the old haunt, but it has changed owners and names.

Anyway, there’s the Green Dragon in Upper Wensleydale which looks like a nice place for a pint.

The Green Dragon Inn in Cowley, Gloucestershire, whch offers far more than a drink.

The Green Dragon, Sambourne offers AA three star accommodation together with real ales, fine wines and extensive menus.

Anyway, as the landlord at the one I went to used to say:

Oh well, Nobody Inn!

If you think environmentalism is bad, then drink some toxic waste!

Since I realised I am a “green” prior to Christmas, I can say the views presented by the “Christian” conservative groups is total rubbish. Environmentalism is in no way a religion. For that matter, they aren’t Christians either, but that’s a lot of other posts.

The above video was put out by the Cornwall Alliance. The real fear is that true Christians are beginning to wake up to the facts of the Green Movement. The Conwall Alliance has deep ties to the oil industry and the climate science denial machine. The ultimate source of money for many of these groups comes from a few main sources: the Scaife foundations (Carthage, Sarah Scaife, Scaife Family), the Bradley foundation, and the Koch foundations (Charles Koch, David Koch, and Claude R.Lambe). These often fund in apparent coordination with ExxonMobil. Such foundations specialize in providing seed money for what later go on to become self-supporting propaganda operations, that raise money to support themselves as “non-profits” often, or sometimes as outright for profit astroturf businesses.

Anyway, the Conwall Alliance uses the work of “lord” Monckton (Kinda like Lord Sutch) to refute climate science–gimme a break!

And I have to agree with Mojo that “Of course, if the environmental movement was actually as strong as the Christian right seems to think it is, we would have quite different politics on this issue.”

And they’d be building their homes on toxic waste sites if we were wrong.

Anyway, I’m glad these people are scared of the truth.

See also Resisting Cornwall Alliance Evil Anti-Green Propaganda

And further laughs at: Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright of Concerned Women for America